The courage to reinvent yourself

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Erin Diehl [00:00:18]:Now I see rest as the most important thing, and it's like the reverse of my previous this years of thought. Have I rested enough to do my most productive work. And that was never how I lived my life. Literally, for 38 years, did not have that capacity or think in any way, shape, or form in that way.

Tiffany Sauder [00:00:42]:I'm a small town kid born with a big city spirit. I choose to play a lot of awesome roles in life. Mom, wife, entrepreneur, CEO, board member, investor, and mentor. 17 years ago, I founded a marketing consultancy. And ever since, my husband, Jr. And I have been building our careers and our family on the exact same timeline. Yep, that means four kids, three businesses, two careers, all building towards one life we love. When I discovered that I could purposely embrace all of these ands in my life, it unlocked my world, and I want that for you, too.

Tiffany Sauder [00:01:17]:I'm Tiffany Sauder, and this is scared confident. You guys, what are we doing? We are recording this podcast intro in the car because this is sometimes what a life event looks like if you're listening to it on just, like, audio and not YouTube. And this is not the sound quality that you're used to. I'm so sorry. You deserve better. But this is just where we're at. This is, like, one of those weeks where not everything's coming together quite perfectly, and we need to hit the deadline. So brought my mic rolling in the backseat right now.

Tiffany Sauder [00:01:50]:We have some family things going on, and we're making it happen. Okay. But I want to introduce the interview that you're about ready to hear. You know those people you meet, and you talk to them for the first time, and you're like, I mean, I don't know. Have we actually met before? Because this feels, like, super normal to be talking to you. That was what my conversation with Aaron deal felt like. It was like two friends talking together that had known each other forever, but in fact, it was the first time that we were connecting. So I'm excited for you to hear this conversation.

Tiffany Sauder [00:02:17]:Erin just released a book, but she has always been the funny girl in her. Like, she's the life of the party. She's the one who people are just used to her coming in and stepping up and getting things going. And over the last couple of years, as she's gotten older, has gone through a journey of realizing being the funny girl. Yes, that's who she is. But that wasn't all of who she is, and it wasn't totally serving all of who she was becoming. So, anyway, we just had, like, a really transparent conversation about what it looks like to be in two career homes, raising kids, and stepping most fully into who you are and being comfortable with the awkwardness of letting go of some of who you were. But it isn't maybe going forward with you, and that can be kind of awkward and weird.

Tiffany Sauder [00:03:08]:So. Okay. That's who Erin is. She's amazing. Listen to this interview. I think this is so funny. This microphone is like 3 teeth, and I'm in the back of a car. So that's how we roll sometimes, people.

Tiffany Sauder [00:03:22]:We just got to get it done. No excuses. Chop chop. All right, thanks. Listen in. Okay, Erin, this is going to be a fun conversation. You are like all the things. You're a mom, you have a career, you're an entrepreneur, and you're funny.

Tiffany Sauder [00:03:40]:Everybody needs a good, funny friend. I feel like if you're improv, you're funny.

Erin Diehl [00:03:44]:I hope I show up. I hope that comes through today. No, I'm just kidding. I feel, like, so much pressure. Yes, a lot of pressure. But I'm here for it. I'm so here for it.

Tiffany Sauder [00:03:53]:Okay. You talk about kind of a wide array of topics, most of them in the feeling space of life. Radical empathy, humor in the workplace, self love, what life experience has brought you to the place where those things are such a focus for where you think, where you put your time, and what you want to teach. Oh, my God.

Erin Diehl [00:04:13]:Okay, I'm going to lay down on the couch. You're my therapist now, Tiff. Okay? Because when I think about all of those fundamentals, I think it's a lifetime of stories, a lifetime of failure, a lifetime of achievements that really got me thinking in this way. From a young age, I knew that I was given the gift of gab, but I didn't really know how to channel it. I always said I wanted to be a talk show host from when I was 13 years old. I was literally like, I'm the next Oprah. But I had nothing to talk about. I didn't know how to channel that into something.

Erin Diehl [00:04:55]:All I knew was I wanted to help people. And what made me happiest is when I could make someone laugh, when I could make them smile, and when I could make them feel how special they are. And there's this really cheesy quote that I love, but I'm going to say it, and it's pretend that everyone has a sign around their neck that says, make me feel important. I lived by that growing up, and I was always an actor, always in show choir. I was a dancer at Clemson University. I was always performing. I just didn't know how to take what I knew could help people and make it into something that is what improve it is today my company. And so we use improv comedy to train people on what we call power skills.

Erin Diehl [00:05:46]:And through so many, I mean, literally, we've had this business for ten years. Our claim to famous. We've trained over 36,000 people to chicken dance. I've watched so many aha moments, and I call them aha moments because that moment where the light bulb goes off, but people are laughing. And I've seen what laughter and experiential learning can do and how it can help change people. So radical empathy. Self love. Self love is something I learned, which is you always teach what you need to learn.

Erin Diehl [00:06:21]:Something I learned recently, but radical empathy was in my dna, I think, when I was put on this earth. And so it was up to me to figure out how to give that gift to the world. And so now I have that gift. It's through improv comedy, and then the book was just a stretch from that.

Tiffany Sauder [00:06:41]:I can imagine. I'm a mom of four girls, so I'm imagining your eight year old self.

Erin Diehl [00:06:46]:Yeah.

Tiffany Sauder [00:06:47]:Constantly in motion, probably, like, just jabbering away, wanting to be in the center of whatever is happening, taking over dinner, dancing at Christmas. So there's two reactions I feel like I could have to that as a mom. One is like, you're exhausted, and can you please not? And one is, this is so in you. How do I help you birth this gift? Well, so what was childhood with friends and with your family? Like, was it a mix? Depending on.

Erin Diehl [00:07:14]:Yeah, so. You're so funny. Okay, so let me just share this. My mom. My dad is six foot three. He looks like the monopoly man. Okay. My mom is five, mustache and all.

Erin Diehl [00:07:27]:Okay. Give him a monocle. Okay. He doesn't have a monocle, but he should. My mom is five two, and she 63. Five two. And she taught voice and piano out of my house. So she's, like, the highest soprano that you could be.

Erin Diehl [00:07:43]:Literally has a vocal performance degree and piano player, and she thinks her daughter is going to be this musical sensation. Of course I'm not. I go the opposite direction. But she said, when I was born, I came out, like, saying, world, I'm here. And then I have a younger brother, and he's more shy. He has a really, I think, warped sense of humor, but I get it and I love it. But when he was born, he was more reserved. And so parenting, they said, for both of us, was very different, and it's still different today.

Erin Diehl [00:08:16]:We're four years apart, and we moved a lot. I moved when I was eight years old. I moved when I was 13 years old, and then I went to college where I didn't know anyone. So I think for me, I remember moving, especially at 13, and kind of hiding myself a little bit, like, reserving myself for this new group of friends because I didn't know if I could let my crazy really shine. And one of my best friends from where I moved from said, no, you have to be yourself. And then the moment I did that, it was so much easier. And so I think my mom is a character in her own right, so I think I have her theatrical side also still does community theater. Okay.

Erin Diehl [00:09:01]:And then my dad, he owned his own business. Very entrepreneurial. So I have both of those things in me. But, yeah, they're exhausted by me still to this day. They're coming here tonight, and literally, my mom sent me a text, like, the eye roll emoji because I asked her to bring nice clothes because I need to film her today. She's like, okay, so it is exhausting. And I have a son who is me, and he's very exhausting. And also, it's interesting to hear what comes through his mind, but I could see, I don't know, are any of your girls, like, do you have one that is similar?

Tiffany Sauder [00:09:38]:My second one is very confident. Her just aura and personality and scale of her body. She's like a real life flamingo. And so everything is just kind of a little captivating and startling about her. So she has natural presence. Like, there's just kids where it's like, it's literally always been that way.

Erin Diehl [00:09:59]:Yeah.

Tiffany Sauder [00:10:00]:And, I mean, we have piles of dress up clothes like you would expect. And we have lots of dancing and singing, but I don't know. My oldest is in show choir. We have dabs of it, and I am a lot, so we have pieces of it. But I think what's interesting, too. So I want to ask you one more question about this vein. So when you're a performer and you moved a lot, and now you're an improv, which is, like, anchored in real life, but not actually real life. How do you flip between being the giftings that you are, which is, like, an entertainer and funny and creating this world that we all want to live in and stick our head into, but we don't have to be it.

Tiffany Sauder [00:10:45]:You know what I mean?

Erin Diehl [00:10:45]:Totally.

Tiffany Sauder [00:10:46]:And like being Aaron.

Erin Diehl [00:10:48]:Yeah. Okay. This is a brilliant question. I love this question, Tiffany, for real. You know how long it took me, how to figure that out? 38 years of my life. I'm 40, almost 41. I went through this, especially my thought when I showed up. Like, I'm not going to be the person bringing a casserole.

Erin Diehl [00:11:11]:I'm not a craft person. I show up. You know what I mean? If I'm showing up, you're getting all of it. And so there was this period I went through from 2020 to 2022. Call it the three p's. I was pivoting my business because 2020 was hard for everyone. I realized how much people pleasing I did in my life, and then I was in physical pain from my lap muscles down was like a ball of just pinched nerves. Doctors couldn't diagnose it.

Erin Diehl [00:11:47]:I had all the labs, all the x rays. It lasted for two years, and it was like I physically would cry at night because my body was holding stress. And eventually, I found this book called when the body says no by Gabor mate, and another book called healing Back pain by Dr. Jar Sarno. And what I realized was I was holding and repressing emotions from years of my life, and I had not touched them. I disassociated with work, with, like, a dirty martini and a bad reality show at night. I just disassociated and did not allow myself to process. Once I unpacked what those emotions were and dove into them and talked to them and dealt with them and forgave them.

Erin Diehl [00:12:46]:I kid you not. No surgery, no drugs. My pain went away. Isn't that crazy? And so after that experience, it was almost like this transformation of not only my nervous system, but my soul. And I felt like I didn't have to show up and be the clown. I was voted class clown in my high school superlatives because that's how I wanted to be seen. I wanted to make you laugh. And I found myself at parties.

Erin Diehl [00:13:20]:I used to walk in and do the dance and standing in corners having deep, meaningful conversations, and it just feels so much better. And I think that is the hard thing for performers. And here's the interesting fact about my team, though. I have a team of 22 facilitators, all extremely hilarious. On huge comedic stages all over the world. Most of them, I will tell you, 75% of them classify themselves as introverts because they give energy when they're on stage, but they need to fill their cups and recharge it. And so I've actually really realized how much I didn't recharge my batteries. I never rested, and that was also a part of the pain.

Erin Diehl [00:14:09]:It was a real healing experience. And so now I know how to deal. I know my truest, highest self, and I listen to her. I'm awake to her for a long time. I think I was sleepwalking.

Tiffany Sauder [00:14:23]:Thanks for sharing that, Erin. I think whether you're actually in entertainment, which is know the vein that you were in and also just the place you put yourself socially or, like, I was a very young CEO and entrepreneur, and I was know I had a job, but I was trying to find the part. I was trying to wear different versions of it. And for seasons, I felt like a caricature of the whole thing. And so I also had my version of breaking. But I think even women who stay home, it's like you're just pouring yourself out so much to a thing that you don't. And I think people of really high capacity just crash harder. Like, the amount of pain you had to feel to actually say, I have got to take stock was probably, like, 40 notches past the average human being.

Tiffany Sauder [00:15:21]:It literally had to be debilitating. It literally had to take. And that's the same. I said, I used to live life like a game of bumper cars. I would drive as fast as I could until I just rammed into the wall and everything fell apart, and I'd be like, oh, no, what happened? And then I would get back in the car, and I would drive as fast as I could, and I would ram into the wall, and I'd be like, ow. It happened. Instead of like, hey, look, there's, like, a caution thing. Maybe you should slow down.

Tiffany Sauder [00:15:48]:Yes.

Erin Diehl [00:15:49]:Can I share something with you of that vein? Because, okay. My husband calls it burning the candle. I would burn the candle to the lowest wick, and then I would face plant, like, nose to mattress on my bed, and I would be down. Like, my body would just stop. And that's not even the physical pain. This is just as an entrepreneur building a business. That's why the first part of this book exists. It's all about self love, because I did that, and I have an activity in there called Lightsaver day that is actually about this exact thing, because that is what I realized in my healing journey was that rest, to me, was an afterthought.

Erin Diehl [00:16:33]:It seemed unproductive. It seemed like the last thing I needed to do. It seemed lazy. That's literally what I thought about resting. Okay. And my body caught up with me and started screaming at me. So I started implementing this activity called a lightsaber day. My team now does, and myself, we now, and this isn't in the book, but this is because of the journey that I went on.

Erin Diehl [00:17:02]:We now have a four day work week, so we have Fridays off. They're optional days where we check email twice a day to make sure we're not leaving anything on the table or clients don't need anything. I could go out with friends to get coffee, or I could sit in a coffee shop and catch up on work for 2 hours if I need to, but I'm not being bothered on our slack channel. There's that day, and that has changed everything for me. And now I see rest as the most important thing. And it's like the reverse of my previous years of thought. Have I rested enough to do my most productive work? And that was never how I lived my life. Literally, for 38 years, did not have that capacity or think in any way, shape, or form in that way.

Tiffany Sauder [00:17:53]:So let's talk about the book. So it's called I see you. So I want to start with you walking me through the title. Like words matter, I'm sure a book title. You thought really hard about what this says, what you want people to think or feel when they read it. So walk me through how you got to the title.

Erin Diehl [00:18:10]:So this is so interesting. I created this as a keynote first. All right. I had the outline of the keynote. I never delivered it, but I just loved the words I see you. And for me, I'm always like, I see you, boo. To my team. I see you.

Erin Diehl [00:18:29]:You're doing a good job. And so I wrote the book with I see you all within, woven within the text of the stories. The publisher I worked with fought me on this title, and I love them. Okay. Like, they were trying to give me all these different title ideas. Because I see you could be like a horror film. If the book cover looks like I see you kind of a deal, or there were already some thrillers out there called I see you. So we landed with I see you with an exclamation point.

Erin Diehl [00:18:59]:I actually have it right here. I see you with the exclamation point.

Tiffany Sauder [00:19:03]:So that it's happy and not exactly.

Erin Diehl [00:19:05]:And then the tagline is. And the book cover is very teal and upbeat and uplifting. And the subtitle is a leader's guide to energizing your team through radical empathy. That I came up with with my publisher. But I see you. I had to have it as the title because it means two things. Number one, I see you as if I'm looking in the mirror to myself, saying, I see you. The very first part is all about self love.

Erin Diehl [00:19:35]:The second part of the book is all about selfless leadership. So if I see me, I can see you. And the third part is all about a magnetic culture. So if you are a self loving person, you have more love to give to those who you lead. And that's going to magnetize and attract people. It's going to retain people. It's going to not only for your team, but for your life. You can just attract so much more.

Erin Diehl [00:20:00]:That was part of the healing journey I went on. And what's interesting in this conversation that is coming full circle for me is that for 38 years, I liked me. I did. She was okay, you know, like. But I. I said mean things to me, meaner than I would ever say to a friend. But now I can truly say that I love who I am. And I think that is why I don't feel the need to showboat, to show up and try to perform.

Erin Diehl [00:20:35]:I can just show up as me, because it's inside validation now versus outside validation. And when I say those three words, I see you. All it makes me do is smile and remind myself of how much I now see myself. And what I hope for people to do in this book is to love themselves, love others, and bring that to work. Like, let's make love a conversation at the boardroom table. Easier said than done.

Tiffany Sauder [00:21:09]:I think the concept of what you're talking about is kind of having its day in cultures. But you run an organization. How do you balance that with the realities of things like results and accountability and clarity is kindness and those kinds of things? Because they're not competing forces necessarily, but I think they can be perceived as that on the surface. So how do you think through that? Because there's a lot of things that.

Erin Diehl [00:21:37]:Still have to get done in your life, 1000%.

Tiffany Sauder [00:21:39]:You can't just go around and hug and joke. But it's an ingredient to the way that you motivate and you create clarity and you create connection. So how does that work with kind of the other pieces?

Erin Diehl [00:21:53]:First of all, I love clearest kind. I know Brene Brown says that all the time. I live by that motto. So kudos to that. Want to just shout out, I love that so much. Okay. In the book, part two, there is a case study, and it's called 89. Jen.

Erin Diehl [00:22:12]:Jen was my former boss. Jen saw me for me. She literally hired me from a video that I was auditioning to be on the Oprah Winfrey network, and people had to vote. This was like 2009 when all we had was Facebook and Instagram was just like, a really horrible filter and a.

Tiffany Sauder [00:22:35]:Picture of your dog.

Erin Diehl [00:22:36]:This was like that era. And she saw me on this video where I was asking people to vote. I knew people who worked at the recruiting agency that she was at. She goes, oh, my gosh, we have to hire this girl as business development for our recruiting firm. I had never done business development. I'd never done recruiting. And so I had two phone calls with her, and she hired me on the spot. Changed my life.

Erin Diehl [00:23:04]:She made me love coming to work every single day. I stayed in that job for five years. Did I love recruiting? No. Did I love doing sales for that position? Absolutely. I created some great relationships, but it wasn't where I saw myself long term. I stayed in that job because I had a leader who saw me for who I was to the root of my soul, and she used that, and she saw who I was. She was empathetic enough to bring all of those things out of me in the job that I had. And it wasn't just that she did this for me.

Erin Diehl [00:23:41]:She did it for every single person in our firm. We were a small nine person, all women firm. She celebrated each one of our individual wins. So whether it was like a baby shower, whether we hit our sales numbers that month, we were celebrated. And we were also motivated by her drive for celebration and success. So for me, I had a leader before her that I called Chad in the book, quote unquote, Chad, who was the exact opposite. I had Chad, and then I had Jen. Jen showed me how empathy and how really understanding the human being, not the human doing, can change how you show up at work.

Erin Diehl [00:24:29]:And that job changed my life, literally changed my life, because I felt so good knowing that I was contributing to the greater good. And I stayed in that job because I had a leader who believed in me. And the only reason I left is because I created this idea for improve it. And you know, who cheerleadered me up and helped me get my very first client, which was united Airlines, by the way, Jen. And so that to me, I took everything she taught me, and it was empathy. She is the case study of radical empathy. And I use it to lead my team. And I have one of my teammates spend their seven years.

Erin Diehl [00:25:13]:When you're seven years with improve it, you get a sabbatical. She's going on her one month paid sabbatical this year. Every one of my facilitators have been with us either from 2016, when we hired, or 2018, when we hired again. And I have three interns turn full time employees who are just. And one of my director of talent has been us ten years. She was the case study for radical empathy and selfish leadership. And we are productive, we are growing rapidly, and we are successful because I think the core of who we are is solid.

Tiffany Sauder [00:25:56]:What are ways that if people say, okay, I get the concept of radical empathy, I get that it's working. What are some ways that I can practically practice that, either in my home, like at home, or in my career? Is there, like, little toolbox or little tips that you could leave?

Erin Diehl [00:26:14]:And do you want to do a little improv activity with mage? Okay. It's called empathy. Okay. So you can use this with your family. You can use this with your team. You can use this in any situation in life. It's very easy. So.

Erin Diehl [00:26:29]:Okay, can you tell me a challenge that you're having right now? It could be at work, personal life, whatever it is.

Tiffany Sauder [00:26:37]:My brakes went out on my car yesterday.

Erin Diehl [00:26:39]:Okay, give me a little more.

Tiffany Sauder [00:26:42]:My husband's traveling. I have one vehicle in my house right now that does not work, and I have four kids that need to go places in 3 hours. So I need to solve.

Erin Diehl [00:26:52]:Okay, does that work? Perfect. And that's crazy, and I'm sorry. Okay, so here's how the activity works. You say person one says the challenge. Person two repeats back the exact thing in first person. So my brakes went out of my car. My husband's traveling for work. I have four kids that need to go somewhere.

Erin Diehl [00:27:12]:I only have one car, and I need this to happen in 3 hours. Then what do I do? So me as person two, I repeated that in first person. What happened for me is I heard you the first time you said that. I was like, oh, that sucks. But when I said it in first person, I felt it. And so I actually saw a picture in my mind of your car in your garage, and I saw your four kids running around while you're trying to get somebody to come and fix your brakes. Like, I felt that versus just hearing you say it. So all it is is repeating back a challenge in the first person and sitting with that for a moment to feel what the other person is feeling.

Erin Diehl [00:28:01]:And it's not like I have taken on your energy. That's a difference, too. I'm not taking on that. First of all, your energy is very calm, by the way, but if you had some phonetic energy or you were feeling a little stressed, the goal is not for the second person to take on that energy. It's just to understand. And so this can be used when you have hard one on one conversations with a teammate. This can be used with your partner. This could be used in any scenario where you really need to understand a person on a deeper level and is probably one of my most favorite activities that we do in workshops with people because they really see their coworker differently.

Tiffany Sauder [00:28:46]:You're actually giving much more explicit language to a thing that I have been thinking about a lot lately. You said your husband also travels once a week or once a month for a week up to Chicago, and my husband travels a lot, and I have found I can get into a really victim headspace with that sometimes where it's like, you have no idea what's been going on while you were gone. This is so crazy. My brakes are done. I've got to figure out how to like. And I'm just like, if he's gone for a long time, at the end of it, I can kind of run out of good attitude and be a little whinier than I'd prefer myself, and a little whinier than I'd prefer him to have to come home to. It's just like, oh, my word. But I have found.

Tiffany Sauder [00:29:29]:And this is what you were just saying. When I think about if he's gone again, but he had to spend the first ten days of January coming off the holiday crazies on a ten day trip in four different cities. And I'm like, I could be like, oh, I'm so frustrated. Like, what in the world? I cannot imagine schlepping my crap through what was, like, seven different airports. He was across, like, three time zones, and every morning, he had to wake up and be in charge and be productive. And it was from Vegas to the, like. It was like nothing was the same. And I was like, that would be terrible.

Tiffany Sauder [00:30:10]:Away from the kids. You just came off of a holiday sugar binge, and now you're eating out every freaking meal of your life. You're not in your own bed. I was like, that would be terrible. And it made me have such a better attitude about where I was schlepping the kids everywhere, and I was like, oh, babe, that has to be so hard. That has to be so hard. And when I'm able to do that and have empathy, which I am not naturally empathetic, that word is almost uncomfortable for me to say out loud. That's exactly what you're saying.

Tiffany Sauder [00:30:43]:So I think it can also be used in my two career home world of when your spouse is traveling, say their schedule, say their routine, say what was required to yourself because you are able to experience it differently. Like you said, you feel it even when it's like steak dinners at 11:00 p.m. It's like you feel terrible when you're over 40 and you eat a huge.

Erin Diehl [00:31:08]:Meal at 11:00 p.m., oh, my God, you're so right. I know. And I also listen how you feel. And I don't have four kids, I just have one. But I'm like, when he's gone, and I know you're right, he's eating out of these lovely dinners, and we're eating another microwavable meal. Because I'm like, I'm only cooking this for the two of us. I'm just going to heat it up. I get a little frustrated.

Erin Diehl [00:31:32]:But then I realize he had to leave the house two days ago at 04:00 a.m. To get a 06:00 a.m.. Flight. And he's exhausted and he's going hard for three straight days. And then he comes home and we're like, you're supposed to be dad again. And so I think that empathy, and I get it. So I'm an empath. I'm the opposite.

Erin Diehl [00:31:49]:I am an empath, and I sometimes take on others energy to a fault. And that's a part I think of being a performer and an actor is like, you can take on others energy. So I kind of wish I was like you, because I have found that sometimes it's hard to not take on energy because I feel so much. And I have tips for that, too, because we are all humans and we all are made of energy, and that's what we're attracted to and repelled.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:22]:So I'm very good at, ah, that feels like a you problem.

Erin Diehl [00:32:26]:Yeah, I wish I could do that, Tiffany.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:29]:I have my own.

Erin Diehl [00:32:30]:Give me that.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:31]:That is not one of them.

Erin Diehl [00:32:32]:Give me that.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:33]:I want that because I'm like, oh, so sorry.

Erin Diehl [00:32:36]:I'm just thinking, text each other.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:38]:How would you have empathy in this situation? Tell me, is this my problem to take on?

Erin Diehl [00:32:43]:Don't give a crap, Aaron. Don't care.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:46]:You're not going to fix that.

Erin Diehl [00:32:48]:I love that. Give me. You give me yours.

Tiffany Sauder [00:32:51]:Not a me problem. Sometimes if you're thinking through situations like, yeah, but I don't want to do that because then this and then their mom is sick and this thing, it's like, those are not me. Is not a me problem. That is sad, but that is not a me problem.

Erin Diehl [00:33:08]:No, I want that energy. Give me that energy.

Tiffany Sauder [00:33:12]:A balance is, I think, awesome. Well, Erin, where can people find you? We'll put links in show notes, but where can people find you?

Erin Diehl [00:33:21]:Okay, my website is. It's erndeel.com. And the book, all the things will be listed there. And then, having some fun on Instagram. I'm doing some sketch characters, and that is at it's Erin deal. D-I-E-H-O.

Tiffany Sauder [00:33:35]:Awesome. We'll put links in show notes.

Erin Diehl [00:33:37]:Thank you so much. And this has been so much fun. Really need to think about how I can get you to help me be less people pleasing. That's what I need. Tiff. That's where we're going to go on my show. And you're coming on the improvement podcast next. So we'll have you and introduce you to our audience.

Tiffany Sauder [00:33:56]:This would be great. Yep. People can check it out over there. So thanks, Erin. It was awesome. Thank you for joining me on another episode of Scared Confidence. Until next time, keep telling fear. You will not decide what happens in my life.

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